where honor, courage, character, the truth is, john's code was ageless. is ageless. when you talked earlier, grant, you talked about values. it wasn't about politics with john, he could disagree on substance. the underlying values. animated everything john did. everything he was. come to a different conclusion. but where he'd part company with you, if you lacked the basic values of decency, respect. knowing that this project is

bigger than yourself. john's story is the american story. that's not hyperbole. the american story. grounded in respect and decency, basic fairness. the intolerance for the abuse of power. many of you have traveled the world, lack how the rest of the world, how they look at us. they look at us a little naive, we're fair, decent. naive americans. but that's who we are, that's who john was. and he could not stand the abuse of power wherever he saw it. in whatever form, whatever country.

it was always about basic values with john. fairness, honesty, dignity, respect. giving hate no safe harbor. leaving no one behind, understanding as americans we're part of something much bigger than ourselves. with john it was a value set not selfish or self serving. john understood that america was first and foremost an idea, audacious and risky, organized around, not tribe but around ideals. the ideals that americans have rallied around the ideals of the world, an idea enshrined in the constitution. sounds corny.

we hold these truths self-evident, all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. to john those words had meaning as they have for every great patriot that has served this country. we both loved the senate, proudest years of my life were being a united states senator. i was honored to be vice president. but being a united states senator, and we both lamented watching it change. during long debates in the '80s and '90s, as some of the colleagues who were around then, i'd sit next to john, next to his seat. he'd come over on the democratic side and sit next to me. i'm not joking, because we'd sit there, and talk to each other.

and i can remember the day when i came out to see john, we reminisced about it, it was in '96 and we were about to adjourn for what we called the caucuses, a lunch on that we had lunch together, democratic and republican senators once a week. we went into the caucus. we were approached by our caucus leaders with the same thing, raised as discussion, joe, it doesn't look good you sitting next to john. swear to god. same thing was said to john in your caucus. that's when things began to change for the worse in america, in the senate. that's when it changed. what happened was, at those times, it was always appropriate to challenge another senator's judgment but never appropriate

to challenge their motive. when you challenged their motive it's impossible to get to "go" f i say you're doing this because you're being paid off, if i say you're doing this because you aren't a good christian. if i say you're doing this because this, that, the other thing. it's impossible to reach consensus. think about in your personal lives for all we do today, attack the oppositions of broesdz parties, their -- both parties, their motives. not the substance of their argument. this is the mid-'90s where it began to go downhill from there. the last day john was on the senate floor what was he fighting to do? he was fighting to restore what

we call regular order to start to treat one another again like we used to. the senate was never perfect, john, you know that, we were there a long time together. i'd watch teddy kennedy and james o. eastland to fight like crazy on civil rights and go down and have lunch together in the senate dining room. john wanted to see, quote, regular order writ large, get to know one another. you know, john and i were both amused, i think lindsey was at one of these events, john and i received two prestigious awards, the last year i was vice president, then one immediately after, for our dignity and respect we showed to one another.

we received an award for civility in public life. it was the college of allegheny college, puts out this prestigious award for bipartisanship. john and i looked at each other, and said what the hell is going here. not a joke. i said to senator flake, that's how it is always supposed to be. you're getting an award? i'm serious, think about this, getting an award for your civility. getting an award for bipartisanship. and classic john, at allegheny college, hundreds of people there. john, the senate was in session, he spoke first. and as he walked off the stage and i walked on, he looked at me, he said joe, don't take it personal but i don't want to hear what the hell you have to say. [laughing] and he left.

[laughing] one of john's major campaign people is now with the senate, with the governor of ohio, was on this morning, i happened to watch it. he said that biden and mccain had a strange relationship, always seemed to have each other's back. whenever i was in trouble john was the first guy there. and i hope i was there for him. and we never hesitate to give each other advice. he'd call me, what the hell did you say that for in the middle of the campaign? not an issue, you just screwed up, joe. i'd occasionally call him. look, i've been thinking this week about why john's death has hit the country so hard.

yes, he was a long-serving senator with a remarkable record. yes, he was a two-time presidential candidate who cap tued the support and imagination of the american people and yes john was a war hero, demonstrated extraordinary courage. i think of john and my son when i think offinger sol's words when duty throw as graunt let down to fate, when honor scorn to compromise with death that, is heroism. everybody knows that about john. but i don't think it fully explains why the country has been so taken by john's passing. i think it's something more intangible. i think it's because they knew john believed so deeply and so passion atly in the soul of america.

he made it easier for them to have confidence and faith in america. his faith in the core values of the nation made them somehow feel it more genuinely themselves. his conviction that we, the country, would never walk away from the sacrifices generations of america made to defend liberty and freedom, human dignity around the world, it made average americans proud of themselves and their country. his belief, and it was deep, that americans can do anything, with stand anything, achieve anything was both unflagging and ultimately reassuring, that this

man believed that so strongly. his capacity that we truly are the world's last, best hope that, we're the beacon to the world. that there are principles and ideals greater than ourselves and we're suffering, sacrificing for and if necessary dying for. americans saw how he lived his life that way and they knew the truth of what he was saying. i just think he gave americans confidence. john was a hero. his character, courage, honor, integrity. the thing that is understated is his optimism. that's what made john special. made john a giant among all of us. but in my view john didn't

believe that america's future and fate rested on heros. we used to talk, about and i liked most about him, is he understood what i hope we all remember, heros didn't build this country. order people being given half a chance are capable of doing extraordinary things. extraordinary things. john knew order americans understood that each of us has a duty to defend the integrity, dignity, and birth right of every child. he carried it. good communities are built by thousands of small acts of decency that americans, as i speak today, show each other every single day. buried deep in the dna of this nation's soul lie as flame that was lit over 200 years ago, each of us carries with us. each one of us has the capacity,

the responsibility, if we can screw up the courage, to ensure it's not extinguished. it's a thousand the things that make us different. the bottom line was, i think john believed in us. i think he believed in the american people. not just all of the preambles of the constitution. he believed in the american people. all 325 million of us. even though john is no longer with us, he left us pretty clear instructions. quote, believe always in the promise and greatness of america because nothing is inevitable here. close to the last thing john said to the whole nation, as he knew he was about to depart, that's what he wanted america to understand.

not to build his legacy, he wanted america, to remind them, to understand. i think john's legacy is going to continue to inspire and challenge generations of leaders as they step forward. and john mccain's impact on america is not over. it's not per boly, it's not -- not hyperbole. it's not over. cindy, john owed so much of what he was to you. you were his ballast. when i was with you both i could see how he looked at you. jill is the one, when we were in hawaii and he first met threw, he kept staring at you. jill said finally, go up and talk to her. and doug and annie, sydney, megan, jack, jimmy, brigette, you may not have had your father as long as you would have liked but you got from him everything you need to pursue your own dreams.

to follow the course of your own spirit. are you a living legacy, not hyperbole, you are a living legacy and proof of john mccain's success. now john is going to take his rightful place in a long line of extraordinary leaders in this nation's history, in their time and in their way stood for freedom and stood for liberty and have made the american story the most improbable and the most hopeful and the most enduring story on earth. i know john said he hoped he played a small part in that story. john, you did much more than that, my friend.

to paraphrase shakespeare, we shall not see his like again. [voice breaking] [applause] >> the second reading from second timothy chapter 4, verses 6 through 8. for i'm already being poured out like a drink offering. the time for my departure is near. i have fought the good fight, i have finished the race, i have kept the faith. now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness which the lord, the righteous judge, will award on that day. not only to me but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

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>> jesus, at the final meal, shared with his friends, charged them remember me. remember me in the breaking of the bread. bread has to be broken to be shared. we are celebrating today the life of a man who unselfishly was broken, that we might be one again. john mccain. our brother, jesus' brother. to remember, to bring together john mccain, i invite you to share the words of henry scott holland.

laugh, as we always laughed at jokes we enjoyed together. play, smile, think of me, pray for me. let my name be ever that household word that it always was. let it be spoken without effect, without a trace of shadow on it. we pray lord god may john mccain's vision be in our eyes. his voice in our words and our tongue. his listening to the needs of others in our ears. his love for his country in our

hearts. bless you, john mccain, in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. ♪ [bagpipes] ♪ ♪

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♪ >> as we come to a close, i'd like to read some words that were beautifully written by his daughter, megan. my father is gone, and i miss him as only be a adoring daughter can. but in this loss, and in this sorrow, i take comfort in this.

john mccain, hero, as a to his little girl wakes to something more glorious than anything on this earth. today the warrior enters his true and eternal life greeted by those who have gone before him. and she writes, rising to meet the author of all things. we will grieve, we will mourn, but i want you to think about her words. in this very moment, senator john mccain is in heaven. with god, the father, and jesus the son. no more cancer, no more pain, no more sickness, no more burdens

of this world. in fact his biggest concern is probably what channel do i have to find in heaven in order to watch larry play on sunday. [laughing] all joking aside he's a free man and he's more alive than he's ever been. senator mccain, professed christianity and here is the hope in what senator mccain believed, romans 3:23, for all have send and fallen short of the glory of god. he knew romans 6:23, that the wages of sin was death, the get of god was eternal life through his john, jesus christ. to the hope that we have as the good news that senator john mccain believed this passage from john 3:16, that for god so loved the world that he gave his only bee gotten son that who

believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. when we grieve and when we mourn, understand that he has eternal life and is with the father in heaven because of his faith in jesus christ. that is something to find comfort in. that is the reason why megan can write these words so beautifully. let us pray together. father as we leave from this place, we ask you to give comfort to cindy and the family. as vice president joe biden said, there will be days that the freshness of this loss hits them hard, father. and in those moments, lord, when they find themselves by

themselves mourning this deep pain and sorrow, will you comfort them, god. will you give them the strengths they need to walk every single day. and, god, as we mourn, as your scripture says, we mourn differently with those who have hope. senator john mccain believed that you sent your only son to walk this earth and live a sinless life, to die on the cross for our since, for the things that we deserved. we believe that jesus christ was put in the tomb and rose again, and he defeated death. that is the reason to celebrate and that is a reason for us to have comfort. in jesus name we pray, amen. >> amen. >> i want to thank you all, again, on behalf of the mccain family for being here and supporting them. at this moment we'll ask you to stay seated until the family, the entire family has exited the building.

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♪ >> that's the end of the ceremony in arizona. the first of remembrances for john mccain, the favorite son of arizona. there in the capitol in arizona, john mccain being given such lovely tributes from people such as vice president joe biden, and arizona cardinal larry fitzgerald, moving tributes, lovely and amazing stories as well. the entire service designed by john mccain in the months before

his passing before passing of cancer last saturday at age 81. after two years in the house of representatives, john mccain became a senator in 1987, taking the seat of conservative barry goldwater. he held that seat for 32 years. this is just the beginning of several days of tributes to john mccain. stay tuned to this fox station and fox news channel for continuing kormg. i'm dana perino, in new york. >> dana: senator john mccain honored in phoenix. friends and family remembering him with a second day of tears and tributes. former white house chief of staff karl rove and morgan ortega standing by with recollections of the late senators. we begin with trace gallagher in phoenix. trace? >> trace: we're looking at the church, we expect senator mccain's casket to come out at any moment. it was funny, it was very

emotional, it was john mccain's hand-picked finest moments. it began with amazing grace, it ended with "my way." they had amazing speeches by first of all the former attorney general of arizona, grant woods, talked about how he ran john mccain's first congressional campaign and john mccain liked to drive to these campaign events even though he said john mccain wasn't a very good driver. how john mccain called a senior community called leasure world he referred to it as "seizure world." you see the casket brought out of the church. john mccain thought he should apologize to those senior citizens. one of them at the gate gave him the finger. extra at any time woods ended by saying that john mccain fought the fight and finished the race. his friend, tommy espinoza, was asked by john mccain to run, to co-chair his congressional campaign. tommy el pi nose a said i had to

remind him i'm a democrat. espinoza still signed on. pause for an second as they slide the coffin inside the hearse. [silence] [silence]

[silence] >> trace: it is symbolism, tradition that is well worth pausing for. we will see that again several times this weekend. you mentioned larry fitzgerald, the wide receiver for the arizona cardinals, who also spoke. he talked about the things he and john mccain had in common, have in common, i'm black and he's white. and i'm young and he's old. and he ran for president and i ran out of bounds. then larry fitzgerald ended with a very wonderful tribute from jackie robinson who said your life is not important except to those whose lives you impact. and former vice president joe

biden, also spoke. listen to this. >> above all, we understood the same thing. all politics is personal. it's all about trust. i trusted john with my life. and i would. and i think he would trust me with his. >> joe biden said that he and john mccain thought of themselves as brothers. brothers who often had family fights. a touching tribute. the hearse will go to sky harbor airport, his casket will be flown to washington, d.c. yesterday was a time for paying your respects to john mccain. tooled it's for arizonians to say good boo i. to john mccain. >> dana: thank you. we'll bring in karl rove and more began ortegas. karl, you knew john mccain very well.

certainly when you have this kind of country that is outpouring there, of support and condolences to the family and real feeling that an american hero has passed. i know that you knew him well, too, and i'll give you a chance to tell us a little about your feelings today. >> well, as you say, a great american hero has departed. and to me one of the amazing things was how much we don't know about john mccain that was known to those who are close to him. a friend of his was colonel bud day. the only american who receive the congressional medal of honor and distinguished flying cross. he through in world war ii, korea, shot down in vietnam. and was a close friend of mccain's. they served together as p.o.w.s in north vietnam. he told me how mccain had been called upon to give, reluctantly, the sermon at one of the clandestine religious services that the p.o.w.s held. they weren't allowed to hold

services, they held them in secret. mccain was designated as chaplain. much to his dismay. he said i'm not particularly deeply religious. bud said well you went to episcopal school, and he had to go to service every day. you know the episcopal litter ju by heart. mccain said yes. he got up in the middle of hell, north vietnam, and he said, he said, and it was, he said i take my words from romans, from paul's letter to the romans. render unto ceasar who is ceasar's, render untoo god who is god's. don't pray to god to get you out of this hell hole. god didn't put you here, ceasar put you here. pray to god to be the best person that you can be here and once you get out of here. bud day,s he was telling me this across a dinner table a steakhouse in florida, broke into tears. he said it was the most

liberating moment he could have imagined. these men stuck in a p.o.w. camp with no idea when, if ever, they would go home. suddenly this young, hot shot navy pilot, gave them words that gave them hope, and sustained them, literally for years, kept them alive. you know, there were things, so many things about john mccain like that, he was as a warrior reticent to share with people. but enormously revealing about his character. >> dana: one of the things that trace gallagher mentioned, morgan, the impact that you have on others, jackie robinson quote, of course. he had an impact on your life, and reaching to the next generation to try and help you basically going to get your wings, give you a chance to talk about that. >> there were so many beautiful things about that service. what stuck out to me the most is when joe by dep said to survive we have to remember how they lived not how they died. as you said, senator mccain

spent so much time being concerned about the next generation of national security leaders. he started along with senator lindsay graham, the veterans coalition. over the past few days i've been e-mailing and talking with so many people, young people who were affected by him and his influence on foreign policy, defense, national security. i think you and karl and i all know congresswoman ee lease stefanik, the young woesht man elected to congress. he said we were blessed to have had a brush of life with a true giant. as incredibly sad as i am to lose some one from a perspective as a navy reserve officer who was just a giant to all of us in the navy, and just a giant in the national security world, we have this saying in the navy, it's called having the watch. when you're a sailor, you have the watch. there's a beautiful poem, i've been hash tagging this on

twitter, we have the much with a. for senator mccain, i know is always concerned with where would american foreign policy go, where would democracy go. sir, if you are listening up above, we have the watch. >> dana: indeed. karl, let me ask you about arizona, this is the arizona funeral was today. the body is now going to be flown to the nation's capitol in washington, d.c. tell me about arizona. that was his adopted state. he served it over a time of great change, great demographic change over the decades in arizona. remained the favorite son of that state. >> yes, which is interesting. when he moved tr he retired from the navy as a captain after 13 years, in 1981. he moved to arizona. and he ran for congress the followinger yao. following year. he was attacked as a carpet bagger.

he succeeded john rhodes, easily re-elected in 1994. when barry goldwater decided to give up his senate seat in 1985, it was -- 1995, it was almost the assumption that the man who stepped into the great shoes was the young congressman, john s. mccain iii. he was elected, re-elected, not without controversy. mccain could be, if he was with you on an issue, there was no better ally. but he could snultly be irritating the heck out of you, he was opposing you another issue. this maverick attitude endured him to a lot of people who didn't identify with the political party. >> dana: karl, can i stop you there, let me stop you there, vice president biden actually talked about mccain's ability to not attack motives, but to have good civil discourse on times when you disagree with somebody. >> yes. >> dana: i think we have that sound if somebody can play that

for us. >> it's impossible to reach consensus. think about in your personal lives. but all we do today is attack the opposition of both parties, their motives. not the substance of their argument. >> dana: i wonder if that is a lesson that you also learned from senator mccain, morgan. >> it's a lesson all of us need in america right now. we can have political disagreements. we can fight it out as karl rove said. john mccain if he was with you he was your best friend. if he wasn't with you, i would hate to be on the other side of him. he believed so fundamentally in the cause of america. i think today our politics, on all sides, are so polarized. as we're looking to having so many new people, in the democrat party, republican party stepping up and running for office. it's that spirit of putting the

country first, which is his campaign slogan. we saw senator lindsay graham speak on the hill what does it mean for country first. he said sometimes, paraphrasing here, sometimes it's difficult and painful to put the country first. but you put the country above your own wants and needs, i bov your own political ambitions. we saw him do that time after time. not a perfect man but who among us is. joe biden paraphrased shakespeare, he said we shall not see his like again. i think that is true. >> dana: unique person and well loved. karl, as john mccain's body is flown to the capital, lying in state, there's the service on saturday at the national cathedral. both george w. bush and barack obama were surprised to get calls from john mccain himself, asking for both of them to speak at his funeral, both men had beaten john mccain in his aspirations in those campaigns to run for president. i wonder what you think about

that, what it might have been like to get those phone calls. >> well, i think they were both honored. i'm not certain they were surprised, mccain scripted his life the way he wanted, he lived it the way he was going to be, he was going to go out the way he wanted to. both men are honored to be given this chance to pay tremendous butte to a man whom, both enormously respected. there's been tributes recently guy both men, president usual and president obama, what unites them their view of john mccain as a person who put his country and their interests first. they may not have agreed on everything but they both respected the man for having had a deep conviction, passion for the future of our country. so i think both of they will welcomed it. i know president bush did. my suspicious is president obama did as well, particularly given

the things he has said since senator mccain's passing. >> dana: i read comments about that, barack obama, as described by that spokesperson, surprised but pleased and honored to have that opportunity. karl, do you remember a time at the white house, i was wondering if you had any examples of where you maybe, the president was going through something, maybe after 9/11, perhaps during the surge, or when he was against a policy such as down at guantanamo bay. what it was like to get a phone call from john mccain, as i recall everyone hopped to it when john mccain called. >> absolutely. look, my dealings with him were really terrific. because we dealt on some immigration, on the immigration reform issue in 2005, 2006, 2007. you get a call from mccain, he would want something to be done or had information to share and that he wanted passed on to the president. and he was very direct, very

formal. not very formal, but very direct. one time he called and he had ted kennedy in the room with him. he was saying something. kennedy said something to him. mccain tells kennedy, one of his closest friends, to shut up. bass he's telling -- doesn't want to be interrupted. when he was with you, and as he was with president bush on the surge in iraq and immigration reform, i mean, he was smart, he was intelligent, he was passionate, committed, energetic, tireless and constantly working to find a way to get forward movement. that's what america needs more of in congress in my opinion. that's an irony the two men from deeply different ee deon logical view points, one liberal, one conservative, both of them members of the u.s. senate died on the same day, nine years apart, and they were the closest of friends, ted kennedy and john mccain. >> dana: stand by, william

lageness is in phoenix. william, hi. william, we'll turn it over to you in phoenix. >> i can't hear you. but john mccain did lead a unique and remarkable american life. jen i'm hearing you. what i was going to say, he led this remarkable life, it was unique and consider reflected in the individuals speaking today. the pallbearers that he chose. those ushers. the diversity and the unique and long journey that he had here. with joe biden being a democrat, also, tommy espinosa, democrat. larry fitzgerald. coming from different walks of life. what i going to happen next,

they're running about 15 minutes behind schedule. they allotted 40 minutes to sky harbor, they're going to the goldwater air force national guard base at sky harbor. there will be about 150 army and air national guardsmen there, no members of the public will be allowed, unlike the other venues. then scheduled to be wheels-up on the military boeing 757 around 12:20, probably a little later than that for what's roughly about a four-hour trip back to washington, d.c. the one thing that i can tell you, knowing a loft people here, i was a reporter and met john mccain in '81 in the race, in '82 for the first house seat. is that the people here, are the people he went camping with, lake powell trips, guys he partied with, hiking in the grand canyon, along oak creek where the ranch was. also individuals, for instance

brigette, the orphan they brought back from the orphanage with mother teresa. a second child they brought back, that child was adopted by two people who worked on mccain's staff. she basically has a sister. these kids were three months old, and given no time to live. that's the kind of people that made friends with john mccain over decades and he personally chose them not unlike calling george bush and barack obama to give his eulogy. the individuals here got a phone call three or four months ago from john mccape saying would you honor -- mccain saying would you honor me being part of my funeral. he will be remembered here in arizona, as a unique individual who had a love affair with arizona, with america, and the feeling was mytule. dana? >> dana: william, thank you for that. i didn't know he reported on john mccain in 1981, pretty amazing story. ed henry, also covered john mccain.

would love to hear your reflections. you covered him from a couple of different angles when he was a senator and also when he was running for office. >> yes, candidate. i remember a couple of things stand out. after he had been a presidential candidate for the final time, 2016, i'm covering hillary clinton, at the boston airport and trying to get home. we were on the same flight from boston to d.c. i said i'm covering hillary. he waves his hand, not at hillary but the whole presidential dance. he said been there, done that, ed. i'm over that. he sat down, you heard larry fitzgerald from the arizona cardinals talk about his love of sports. not just some guy thing. he really did. this is a guy who worked nonstop into his 80s on senate business, trying to get stuff done. he talked to me about paul gold schmidt, the first baseman for the diamondbacks. he has 39 home runs, henry, did you know that. 110 rbis. he had the statistics. and the other thing was a book about the history of the navy

that he was going to read on the flight from boston to d.c. this is a few years ago. he's in his late 70s, learning about the navy that he loved so much. you can understand why his mind was still so sharp. the other thing is, just, you hear joe biden talk about he'd show up in the senate, everyone is giving wonderful tributes. but he was a tough s.o.b. he would have big fights on the senate floor. in the hallway covering, trying to chase him down for a quote, and he'd say ed henry, you jerk, what do you want. that was his sense of humor. he was blunt, sarcastic, he'd want to know what you're working on. >> dana: i wanted to ask about that. unlike many politicians and elected officials in washington, d.c., he was really accessible to the press. >> he was. that helped with sort of more reverential coverage of him. he got better press coverage than a lot of other republicans, as you know, because he was accessible. maybe there's a lesson for some other republicans to not be

closed off from the press. a push and a pull there. but he also got more favorable coverage many times. if you go back and look, when he was the maverick taking on the republican establishment, the mainstream media loved john mccain. when he was the maverick taking on barack obama and the left, not so interested in john mccain. i there's some hypocrisy. >> dana: i don't know if you heard that john mccain designed and organized the entire thing. they asked them to play "may way". >> not a better song. peter doocy live on capitol hill, the life of senator mccain will be honored come. >> we expect to see long lines here, again, dana, where when senator mccain arrived to lie in state tomorrow morning, there were 22 current senators, or former senators at the arizona proceedings. we expect to see many more here tomorrow including the speaker

of the house, the senate majority leader, then the democratic leadership as well. we do expect there to be some special recognition given to the staffers inside senator mccain's office who are having a tough time this week as well. and similar to what they did in arizona, we're told that senator mccain will lie in state until 8:00 p.m. until there's still a line and they will let anybody in the line come in tomorrow. >> dana: peter doocy, thank you for that update. ed gillespie, former rnc chairman, ed there you are. so glad to be able to have you on the show. the life of senator john mccain, all that you saw as the republican party has changed over the decades, he was a real constant up until last saturday. >> well, i'd say this, dana, watching the coverage of the service there and the jot pouring of love and -- outpouring of love and affection for senator mccain. he honored our country with his

service and his sacrifice. it is heartening to see our country honor him for that honor and sacrifice. some one when i ran for the united states senate in 2014, no one thought i had any chance at all. john mccain campaigned for me. just the fact that, obviously didn't win the race but john mccain thought i would be a good senator meant the world to me and still does. he will be sorely missed, not just in washington, d.c. and in arizona, but across the country and across the globe. >> dana: what do you think about candidates running today who are, or people thinking about throwing their hat in the ring. it might be concerned that politics has become too strident or troo try bal. the life of john mccain shows you, you could compromise and win several decades of senatorships's. what would you say to them we are in a polarized environment. but i think there is call in the

marketplace, the political marketplace for people who work across the aisle as senator mccain did. i think it was easier to get reejected for senator mccain with that record than it is to run today, without having a record. it's a little more challenging in the polarized environment. cheerily, you see it in the commentary and the outpouring of affection, people are looking for it. the political marketplace, will reward it. >> dana: governor doocy has said he'll wait until the burial of john mccain before he contemplated who he will appoint to this position. do you think it's important to appoint somebody who wants to run for the office in 2020? >> well, i know governor doug doocy, one of the finest leaders in our country, thoughtful leader as well. i think for example very thoughtful of him to say we're

not going to make this appointment, we'll set it aside until we have rightly honored senator mccain and laid him to rest. that's an act of class people appreciate. he will be thoughtful in the process. i think it is a good idea to put some one in that position who will run for the seat not a caretaker. but some one who can establish a record, get seniority for the american people in the arizona senate, have a record to run on in 2020 as a result of the appointment now. >> dana: ed gillespie, there was one other person here who thought you could win in 2014, that was me. >> that's correct. [laughing] >> dana: ed gillespie, ed henry, karl rove thank you for being here with us today, appreciate it. the life and legacy of john mccain. coverage will continue as the motorcade makes its way to the government chartered flight. the remains of john mccain will be flown to washington, kk.

d.c. he will receive an amazing welcome in as well. trace gallagher continues coverage to the tribute of senator mccain from phoenix, up next. >> trace: i'm trace gallagher in for shepard smith. you can see the live procession for john mccain. it left the church about 30 minutes ago. it's arriving at sky harbor airport. it will be about ten minutes. john mccain's casket will be put open an airplane and taking its final trip from arizona. it was a day of respect for john mccain. today is a day to say good-bye. the arizona senator is leaving for the last time. people all day paid ama